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Government and the tech business

Discussion in 'The Coffee Shop' started by amusicsite, 11 Oct 2012.

  1. amusicsite

    amusicsite dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥ┴ Staff Member

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/10/huawei-international-blacklisting

    I've seen a few stories like this over the last week. Seems both the US and UK are getting worried about how much government control/input there might be in some of the huge tech companies coming out of Asia.

    I remember hearing from the 90's onwards whispers about companies like Microsoft, IBM, Cisco and BT having the odd back door into networks so the US/UK governments could get in and snoop on people.

    Wonder if this is a case of 'I bet they are doing what we were/are'. I guess it also helps to protect your competitive edge if you can persuade your nations business' to use home grown companies rather than those from competing nations.
     
  2. amusicsite

    amusicsite dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥ┴ Staff Member

    Location:
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    https://phys.org/news/2019-05-tech-firms-huawei-sanctions.html

    Well it seems like the US government has gone nuclear on the Huawie thing. I don't really buy the whole thing that its a security risk, seems to me more of Trump trying to look though and pressure from some US people that don't like the fact they have become so much bigger than their US competition.

    I also think the timing is very bad for the US and potentially other European firms. Firstly I think it's going to get Chinese firms working at breakneck speed to replace all western firms. Both from the supply chain and the software. This could mean an alternative to Android that could dominate the Asian market, potentially Africa and Latin America too. Also chip makers, screen manufacturers and all the other bits that mass make up a phone, as well as other devices, could all see themselves cut out of the Chinese and other markets.

    It's not just phones, how many other Chinese firms will be thinking we could be next? Tencent, Alibaba, Xiaomi, ZTC? What if Japan was put under pressure not to supply ARM chips to china? The Chinese have got to be thinking it's time to bring everything in house. Which means more competition for western firms and less sales in China.

    That could only be a small part of it too! What if other firms which rely on American products switch to other countries or decide to make what they need in China? What if they ditch Windows? What if the backlash really escalates and China basically stops supplying the world? Could we ramp up manufacturing quickly enough to fill the gap.

    Could be interesting times.
     
  3. amusicsite

    amusicsite dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥ┴ Staff Member

    Location:
    UK
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48345742

    Well it seems someone has finally realised this is going to hurt America as much as China and giving firms a 90 day stay of execution on the ban. Which I'd not be surprised if it's made permanent.

    Though has the damage already been done? It reminds me a lot of the California electric car rule in the 90s. They made a law saying a percentage of all cars must be zero emissions. The American firms knew they could overturn the ruling and only paid lip service to it. The Japaneses car manufactures were worried it would lead to American cars getting a jump start on them. 10 years later the Toyota Prius was the best selling hybrid car and took over the number one slot from GM.

    I can see the same with this current 5G fiasco. China and other countries may start looking to ovoid American suppliers and technology and look increasingly to produce their own technology. Or at least have back up suppliers in other territories.... Those other territories are likely to be Europe, China, Korea and Japan. All Americans main competitors.

    This will not happen overnight, like with the cars but instead will help start an unstoppable change that will play out over the next decade or two.