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Will It Fly?

Discussion in 'Engineering' started by classic33, 17 Oct 2014.

  1. classic33

    classic33 Über Geek

    The Joint Strike Fighter, Lockheed Martins F-35’s, is the most expensive weapons system ever developed. It is plagued by design flaws and cost overruns. It flies only in good weather. The computers that run it lack the software they need for combat. No one can say for certain when the plane will work as advertised. Until recently, the prime contractor, Lockheed Martin, was operating with a free hand—paid handsomely for its own mistakes. Looking back, even the general now in charge of the program can’t believe how we got to this point. In sum: all systems go!

    He(Major Matt Johnston) was candid about, but unfazed by, the F-35’s current limitations: the squadrons at Eglin are prohibited from flying at night, prohibited from flying at supersonic speed, prohibited from flying in bad weather (including within 25 miles of lightning), prohibited from dropping live ordnance, and prohibited from firing their guns.

    The UK is not expected to receive its first service F-35's until the F-35B model is rolled out in 2029.

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/fd...th-the-worlds-worst-new-warplane-5c95d45f86a5
     
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  2. amusicsite

    amusicsite dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥ┴ Staff Member

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    Well at least we have the Eurofighter...
     
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  3. classic33

    classic33 Über Geek

    Can they take off from and land on an aircraft carrier though!
     
  4. amusicsite

    amusicsite dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥ┴ Staff Member

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    Depends if you mean once or 100% of the time :p:

    What's wrong with the Harrier Jump Jet anyway, why do you need anything to replace that?
     
  5. amusicsite

    amusicsite dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥ┴ Staff Member

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  6. welsh dragon

    welsh dragon Active Geek

    The ministry of defense is a joke. Mr WD was in engineering, making tools and plastic components. The firm received work from them, but the plans of what and how the components were made was so over engineered, that it added thousands of pounds to the cost of making the tools and consequently the compoments themselves. When this was pointed out to them and they were told that x tool could be made this way, and that it would work better and be more cost effective, they weren't interested. It was this way, as it has been done for the last 70 years or no way. Old fuddy duddy people in the MOD decided this was how it had to be done.

    To much money to spend, no one who knows what they are doing, or who know the cost of things, or know how much certain things would cost, and not really caring either, and people not even knowing if such a thing can or will work is the problem. The MOD is a law unto themselves, and they think no one has the right to question them ever.
     
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  7. amusicsite

    amusicsite dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥ┴ Staff Member

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    Well indeed and that's the way they like it. After all if you get 200 spanners custom made for thousands of pounds then there will be someone somewhere making hundreds from it... If you get some cheaper and probably better off the shelf ones for a few hundred pounds then it's harder to skim some money off the top.

    Anyway if the made it cheaper and more reliable you know what they would spend the savings on.... More tax breaks for the rich bods in the City of London most likely, it's not like they will use it to pay for our social services, health or education now is it...?
     
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  8. TheDoctor

    TheDoctor Rocket Engineer

    Because we got rid of them all!!
    Which renders the new Queen Elizabeth aircraft carriers a bit redundant until / unless the F35s come along...
     
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  9. sidevalve

    sidevalve Well-Known Geek

    Just a question - when we finally end up with the fastest most expensive heavily armed etc etc war plane who exactly are we to use it on ? Another european / american / 1st world area, war isn't going to happen [and if it does we've all had it anyway]. The days of 'one upmanship' are really quite pointless now.
    The perfect weapon ? The one that will turn off silicon chips.
     
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  10. classic33

    classic33 Über Geek

    Test pilots don't rate it very highly and it has limited capabilities within the European theatre. A bit like the Comanche stealth helicopter.
     
  11. classic33

    classic33 Über Geek

    But the Us Marines still fly!
     
  12. Alex H

    Alex H Senior Geek

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    that exists already - it's a by product of something a bit more nasty but can be used on it's own, albeit with a much smaller range

    Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse
     
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  13. sidevalve

    sidevalve Well-Known Geek

    No it does not. The emp can be shielded against - the perfect weapon must be able to get around this.
    PS - I quote 'it has limited capabilities within the European theatre' - which war is that exactly, I seem to have missed it.
     
  14. amusicsite

    amusicsite dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥ┴ Staff Member

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    Kamikaze drones (tm). A swarm of mini drones packed full of explosives. You just have to fly enough of them at the target.
     
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  15. Alex H

    Alex H Senior Geek

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    Well, any piece of kit with an aerial cannot be shielded , otherwise it won't work and as communication is key to combat ...........
     
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  16. sidevalve

    sidevalve Well-Known Geek

    Any attacking fighter could get through - the pilot knows his destination. Any amount of troops could be landed - a ship can carry on using old fashioned navigation without radio. If you have a weapon that truly knocks out the silicon chip however, and can be used again and again then non of this is possible. Planes cannot fly without their computers [they are designed that way] - ships cannot be guided in the same way [ALL the electronics on board are dependant on chips, not just navigation]. Missiles will simply drop from the sky with no guidance system and even if they reach destination many would not 'go off'. Tanks could neither run [engine management systems out or fire - again guidance system out of action]. The point is EVERYTHING is computer controlled.
    The simple EMP blast would not do, what is required is a true weapon that can be aimed and used. When it is developed the weapons we have now will be obsolete.
    PS - Mini drones - you would require thousands. A missile / war plane is a very fast target and such a thing as an aircraft carrier is VERY well protected.
     
  17. Alex H

    Alex H Senior Geek

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    Then again, is the perfect weapon the one that can stop explosives exploding?

    This would render all other weapons useless.:)
     
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  18. classic33

    classic33 Über Geek

    Harrier was sub-sonic. The A-10 is sub-sonic and at present one of the few planes without fly by wire controls.
     
  19. amusicsite

    amusicsite dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥ┴ Staff Member

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